Pinup draws people chasing a mid-century kind of flirt: the picture composed first, the heat arriving second. The appeal is a deliberate pause, with clean lines in the styling, a little theater in the stance, and charm that still lands when nothing is moving. Creators who fit keep that pause at the center of the page.
From there, the differences that matter are personal: how teasing or how direct the feed gets, whether the styling carries through, and how much character shows up beside the photographs. Most people end up weighing those qualities, and a username will not settle them.
The ranking below gathers recommended creators so you can set those preferences against real options. Use it to narrow the field, then let each profile confirm whether the look holds up on its own.
Pinup creators worth setting side by side
The gap between a pinup tag and a pinup page
A shortlist of names only gets you so far. The next useful step is separating pages that treat pinup as a working visual language from pages that borrowed the word because it photographs well in a search box. People looking for pinup girls on OnlyFans are usually chasing a specific feeling: playful pose, period styling, a wink rather than a sprint toward explicit content, and a feed that looks composed even when it is teasing. That is a narrower request than “attractive person in lingerie,” and a lot of profiles fail it within the first dozen posts.
Classic pinup, in the sense that still shapes what viewers expect, is built from a handful of readable choices. Hair is set, not merely long. Makeup is graphic enough to read in a still: a defined lip, a strong brow, a beauty mark used on purpose. Clothing has structure. Bullet bras, high-waisted briefs, seamed stockings, garter belts, shirtwaist dresses, sailor collars, cherry prints, gingham, and tailored shorts all belong to a shared vocabulary. The pose is often staged for a still camera, with weight shifted, a glance over the shoulder, or a prop that gives the hands something to do. When those elements show up repeatedly, the tag is doing real work. When they show up once, next to a pile of ordinary bedroom snapshots, the tag is marketing.
That distinction matters more here than in niches defined by a single act or a single body type. Pinup style OnlyFans pages are selling an atmosphere as much as a body. If the atmosphere collapses the moment the creator changes outfits, the subscription is paying for a costume, not a category. Some of those costume pages are still good pages. They are just answering a different search. Retro pinup OnlyFans, vintage pinup OnlyFans, and classic pinup OnlyFans are not interchangeable labels either, even when creators use all three in one bio. Vintage can mean a careful 1950s kitchen set. It can also mean a filter, a sepia grade, or a public-domain poster used as a banner. Read the photos, not the adjectives.
A useful rule before you spend anything: the pinup idea should survive a scroll that is not trying to sell you. If the free posts already look like the thing you came for, the paid wall has a chance. If the free posts are generic and the bio promises a golden-age studio you have not seen, assume the promise is the product until the page proves otherwise.
How to read a free wall without talking yourself into a subscribe
Free previews on this platform are uneven by design. Some creators post almost nothing public. Others use the free wall as a portfolio. For pinup onlyfans models, the portfolio approach is the kinder one, because the niche is visual and easy to fake with a sentence. You are not looking for volume. You are looking for whether the visible posts are a fair sample of the paid look.
Start with the newest three and the oldest three you can actually see. A page that opened with a strong retro shoot and then drifted into unrelated selfies has already told you how the aesthetic is prioritized. A page that still looks styled in recent free posts is more likely to treat the look as the job. Check dates rather than trusting a grid that can be reordered by pinning. An abandoned highlight reel at the top of a quiet page is one of the more common disappointments in this niche, because pinup sets photograph so well that old images keep selling the fantasy long after posting has slowed.
Then look at what the free posts refuse to show. Tease is native to pinup. A cropped garter, a back view in a full skirt, a lipstick close-up, or a short clip of someone stepping into heels can be an honest preview of a cheesecake feed. That is different from a free wall made entirely of face-hidden bathroom mirrors while the banner shows a fully dressed period set you never see again. Mismatch is the signal. The banner, the avatar, the bio line, and the recent posts should describe the same creator in the same visual world.
Captions help when they are specific. A note about a thrifted dress, a hair-set that took the morning, or a shoot in a friend’s vintage car is more informative than a string of era words. Over-tagged bios that list every adjacent fetish plus “pin up” are not automatically dishonest, but they often mean the pinup posts are a lane, not the road. If you want the lane, look for how often that lane is driven. Count themed posts against the rest of what you can see. A rough ratio you can judge with your own eyes beats any claim in a bio.
Also notice image quality in a practical way, not a gear-snob way. Soft window light and a real room can look better than a harsh ring light on a seamless backdrop. What you want to avoid is a free wall where every “vintage” image has the same plastic smoothness, warped fingers on props, or backgrounds that do not obey the furniture. By now, synthetic images are common enough across adult platforms that a pinup search, which rewards polished period fantasy, is an easy place for them to hide. If a creator uses illustrated art or clearly labeled generated images as extras, that can be a style choice. If the main photos of the person do not look like photographs of a person, do not pay for a portrait you cannot verify.
The style splits that actually change what you get
Searchers tend to type a cluster of near-synonyms: pinup onlyfans, pin up onlyfans, onlyfans pinup girls, 50s pinup onlyfans, retro pinup onlyfans. Inside the results, the feeds divide more cleanly than the keywords do. Knowing which split you want will save you from subscribing to a well-made page in the wrong branch.
The 1950s domestic and glamour branch is the one most people picture first. Think structured undergarments, set hair, kitchens, boudoirs, diners, and poses that could sit on a calendar without needing a plot. Humor is often part of it: a surprised expression, a caught-in-the-act stance, a prop like a mixer, a telephone, or a bottle of soda used as staging rather than as a joke that breaks the look. Explicit content may appear, but it usually arrives after the styling has done its work. If you want this branch, a modern bedroom with a headscarf is not a substitute, even if the creator is talented.
Rockabilly and alt pinup sit next door and confuse a lot of new subscribers. The hair can be similar. The attitude is louder. Tattoos, band tees under a bullet bra, hot-rod settings, and a more contemporary face of makeup are common. This is a legitimate pinup tradition of its own, especially in the revival scenes of the last few decades, and many of the best pinup onlyfans accounts live here because the creators already dress this way off-camera. It will disappoint you only if you wanted a clean, ink-free, studio-cheesecake look and did not check arms, chest, and thighs in the preview. That is a taste difference, not a quality difference. State it to yourself before you subscribe.
There is also a glamour-pinup branch that borrows more from late-1950s and early-1960s studio photography than from cute domestic scenes: stronger lighting, fewer novelty props, more attention to legs, seams, and a controlled expression. And there is a costume-pinup branch, where the creator is primarily a lingerie or cosplay model who produces occasional period sets. Those sets can be excellent. They are a poor reason to pay a monthly rate if the rest of the month looks unrelated, unless the creator sells the period work as separate purchases you can buy without the subscription.
A short way to sort a page:
- If the styling holds across ordinary days, not only themed shoots, you are looking at a pinup creator rather than a pinup costume.
- If tattoos, modern nails, and current makeup dominate, call it modern or alt pinup and judge it on those terms.
- If the pose language is performance-first, with fans, gloves, and stage lighting, you have drifted into burlesque, which overlaps but is not the same purchase.
- If the era details are confined to one color grade, you are looking at a filter.
None of these branches is more “real.” They satisfy different pictures in the subscriber’s head. The disappointment usually comes from paying for one picture and receiving another.
Wardrobe, hair, and sets are the whole product
In a lot of adult niches, wardrobe is seasoning. In pinup, wardrobe is the dish. A subscriber who cares about this look can often forgive a simple room if the clothes are right, and will often bounce off an expensive room if the clothes are a red bra and the word vintage in the caption. When you compare pinup onlyfans creators, compare the closet before you compare follower counts or how explicit the pinned post is.
Repeat garments are not a flaw. A working retro wardrobe is expensive and specific, and good creators rotate a small set of pieces rather than pretending they own a museum. What you want to see is range inside that closet: at least one structured bra shape, something with a high waist, hosiery that is treated as part of the outfit rather than an afterthought, and outer layers that can be removed on camera so the undressing has stages. Pinup striptease, when it works, is slow because the clothes were designed to come off in a sequence. A single modern thong offers no sequence. That is why pages with a real closet feel different even at similar levels of explicitness.
Hair is the other non-negotiable, and it is the detail casual taggers skip. Victory rolls, pincurls, a short set, a deep side part with polished waves: these read instantly, and they are annoying to maintain. A creator who shows hair in process, or whose style is consistent enough that you recognize it across months, is investing in the niche. A creator who wears a bandana over unstyled hair for every “retro” post is improvising. Bandanas can be part of a look. They should not be the entire evidence.
Sets separate hobby pages from pages you remember. You do not need a soundstage. A kitchen with the right cabinet color, a bed with a chenille spread, a stoop, a tiled bathroom that is not trying to be a hotel, or a car that is actually old will do more than a printed backdrop that wrinkles behind the shoulder. Watch the edges of the frame. Period styling dies when a current phone charger, a plastic laundry basket, or a modern logo t-shirt stays in shot without being played as contrast. Some creators use that contrast on purpose, and it can be charming. Accidental contrast just looks unfinished.
Makeup belongs in the same evaluation. Graphic liner and a lip that photographs as a shape will carry a cheap set. Contemporary “no-makeup” glam, however well done, pulls the image into a different decade. If you like both, fine. If you came for classic pinup, do not convince yourself that a filter will finish the job the makeup did not start.
What the paid feed tends to contain once the styling is real
Assume nothing about explicitness from the word pinup. This niche has always lived on a tease, and on a subscription platform the tease can stop at implied nudity or continue well past it. Both approaches have audiences. The useful question is whether the styling remains in charge after the clothes come off. On stronger pages, it does. The hair stays set. The pose still has a shape. The lighting does not suddenly become a flat overhead phone shot the moment the scene gets more direct. On weaker pages, the pinup portion is the cold open, and the rest of the month is indistinguishable from a general lingerie feed.
Photosets still carry this category. A coherent set of 15 to 40 images from one setup, with a clear beginning, a few changes of pose or garment, and a couple of closer frames, matches how people actually look at pinup. Scattered single images with no relation to each other can be fine as extras. They do not replace a set. When you are deciding if a page is worth a month, look for evidence that full sets exist, not just crops. Locked posts that say “full set” without any preview stills are a softer promise than locked posts that show two or three frames from the same scene.
Video, when it appears, is often short and pose-driven: walking into frame, sitting on a counter, adjusting a stocking, a slow turn. Longer clips tend to borrow from burlesque or from a homemade photoshoot diary, including the less glamorous minutes of setting hair or pinning a dress. Those diary clips are more valuable than they look. They tell you the styling is being done, not pasted on, and they give a better sense of personality than a posed still. If you specifically want moving image rather than photographs, confirm that video is a habit and not a rare extra before you pay. Plenty of excellent pinup onlyfans accounts are stills-first, and there is nothing wrong with that unless video was the point.
Behind-the-scenes and “getting ready” posts also signal whether the creator enjoys the niche or is enduring it. Enthusiasm is visible in small choices: a caption about a pattern, a comparison of two lip colors, a complaint about stockings that is clearly affectionate. Flat captions on beautiful images can still be worth paying for if the images are the priority. Just do not expect a chatty retro persona if the public writing is minimal. The feed usually predicts the tone of everything else.
Messages, customs, and how much “in character” to expect
Interaction on pinup pages varies as widely as it does anywhere else on the platform, with one extra wrinkle. Some subscribers want a retro persona in the messages: pet names from an old movie, a refusal to break the decade, a playful formality. Some creators offer that. Many do not, and will not enjoy being pushed into it. A bio that mentions roleplay, girlfriend experience, or era-specific chat is the place to look. A bio that only lists photo styles is telling you the product is visual. Treat silence on chat as silence, not as a hidden menu.
Customs are where this niche gets either delightful or frustrating. A reasonable custom in pinup is specific and material: a named garment the creator already owns, a color, a prop, a pose reference, a room you have already seen on the page. An unreasonable custom demands a full era the closet cannot support, a replica of a copyrighted character, or a set that requires renting a location the creator has never used. Before you pay for a custom, ask what they already have. Creators who know their wardrobe will answer concretely. Vague enthusiasm followed by a high quote is a sign you are funding a shopping trip that may not happen on your timeline.
Turnaround matters more here than in niches that can be filmed in one take on a bed. Set hair and a multi-look shoot take scheduling. A clear window, stated in the creator’s own menu or welcome message, is a good sign. An open-ended “soon” is how custom payments go stale. If the page does not publish custom terms, ask once, politely, and decide based on the reply rather than on hope. Also check whether customs are delivered on the page, in messages, or as a separate purchase. Delivery method changes what you are buying, and platform rules around messaging and purchases can shift, so read the current page rather than relying on an old screenshot or a fan comment from last year.
Mass messages and automated welcome notes are normal. They are not proof of intimacy, and they are not an insult. What you can judge is whether personal replies, if offered, sound like the same person as the feed. A styled, witty page that answers in clipped upsells may still be worth it for the photos. It is a poor fit if conversation was half the reason you subscribed. Decide that before the renewal date, not after three ignored follow-ups.
Pricing, locked posts, and what you are actually paying for
There is no stable “pinup price,” and anyone quoting a typical number is guessing. Subscription rates, trials, and promotional months move, and a creator’s rate this month is the only rate that matters. What you can compare is structure. Some pinup onlyfans accounts put the bulk of the styled work on the feed for subscribers. Others keep the feed thin and sell almost every finished set as a locked extra. Both models can be fair. They feel very different at the end of a month.
If you want a page to live with, a subscription that includes regular full sets is easier to justify. You are paying for a continuing look. If you want one specific shoot, a pay-per-view or a bundle may be the cheaper and more honest transaction, especially on pages where the pinup work is occasional. The trap is a modest subscription that still requires several locked purchases before you have seen a complete set. That arrangement is not a scam by itself. It becomes a bad deal when the free and subscriber previews never show enough of the set for you to know whether you want it. In a visual niche, preview frames are part of the price transparency.
Production cost is the sympathetic explanation when a retro page charges more than a phone-selfie page of similar explicitness. Wigs, alterations, stockings that run, rented cars, and time under a dryer do not scale the way a single setup in a bedroom does. Sympathy does not obligate you to pay it. It does mean sticker shock alone is not a red flag. A red flag is a high rate paired with no evidence of that production in anything you can see. Low rate is not automatically a bargain either. A cheap page that posts twice a month, with the pinup concept fading after week one, costs more per satisfying post than a pricier page that stays in character.
Discounts and free trials are fine to use if the terms are visible before you enter payment details. Check what happens when the trial ends, whether locked messages are included, and whether you can cancel without hunting. Those details live on the current profile and checkout screen, not in a review site’s summary. If a third-party page promises a lifetime discount the creator’s own links do not mention, trust the creator’s page.
Bundles of older sets can be a smart first purchase when you are unsure about a monthly commitment. They show range: more than one outfit, more than one room, a sense of whether the creator repeats the same three poses. A bundle that is twenty crops of one afternoon is a weaker sample than eight images across three looks. Ask, or judge from the preview, before you treat a bundle as a catalog.
Active pages versus a beautiful archive that stopped
Pinup photographs age well, which is a gift to the viewer and a problem for the subscriber. A grid from a committed year of shooting can look current long after the creator has moved on, gone on an unannounced break, or shifted the account toward unrelated content. Before you pay, find dates. A pinned masterpiece from a while back is not a posting schedule.
Consistency in this niche does not require daily uploads. A sustainable rhythm for styled work might be a full set every week or two, with smaller posts between them, or a burst around a shoot weekend followed by a quiet stretch. What matters is whether the rhythm is acknowledged. Creators who say they post in batches, or who show a queue of upcoming looks, are easier to trust than creators whose last styled post sits alone with no context. Silence plus a still-open subscription button is common. You are allowed to want a page that is being maintained in the present tense.
Look at whether new posts still solve the same visual problem. A creator can stay active and still leave the niche: more casual lingerie, more trend-driven poses, less hair, fewer period clothes. That evolution is their right. It is also your cue to leave if you subscribed for the earlier look. Top pinup onlyfans recommendations go stale for this reason more than because the photos were never good. Recheck the last month, not the greatest hits, whenever you are renewing or returning to a name you saved.
Collaborations and guest appearances in other creators’ sets can make a page look busier than it is. Enjoy them as bonuses. Do not count them as the host creator’s posting rhythm unless that creator is actually producing. Conversely, a quiet comment section means little. Many subscribers never comment, and many creators turn comments down. Absence of public chatter is not absence of a feed.
Where pinup blurs into burlesque, glamour, and costume play
Nearby categories are where a lot of satisfying subscriptions actually live, and also where a lot of mismatched ones begin. Burlesque shares gloves, pasties, fans, and a love of reveal, but it is built for performance and often for a stage logic: entrance, bit, finale. Pinup is built for the still, even when video is involved. If you want wit and a routine, a burlesque-leaning creator may be the better buy, including on weeks when the outfit is not especially 1950s. If you want a photograph you could imagine printed, stay closer to posed pinup even when the creator also does the occasional routine.
Glamour and “classic beauty” pages overlap on lighting and polish. They diverge on play. Pinup usually has a joke, a prop, or a pose with a plot. Straight glamour can be more severe and more focused on body lines. Subscribers who say they want vintage pinup and then feel bored by cute concepts may actually want glamour. Subscribers who say a page feels cold may have bought glamour under a pinup tag. Neither reaction means the creator missed. The label was doing too much work.
Costume and cosplay intersections are worth a deliberate choice. A creator who dresses as a mid-century character for one weekend a month can scratch the itch if you buy that drop and skip the rest. A creator whose entire identity is retro, including casual posts, will feel more coherent if you want the look as a standing environment. Illustrated pinup, pinup art commissions, and photography of real people are also different products that sometimes share a tag. Art can be wonderful and is not a substitute for a model’s page, just as a model’s page is not a substitute for a commissioned drawing. If you like both, follow both. Do not grade one by the standards of the other.
Body type sits in this overlap conversation whether creators address it or not. Historical pinup marketing celebrated curves, and some modern pages treat that as a requirement. Others bring the styling to slim, athletic, or androgynous frames, or to men and nonbinary creators doing the same visual language. If a directory or a tag page is only showing you one body, the niche is broader than the directory. Search the styling words alongside the kind of creator you actually want to see, and do not let a retro aesthetic talk you into a preference you do not have. The clothes and the pose are the category. Everything else is your taste, and it should be chosen on purpose.
When a name keeps appearing in roundups but the thumbnails never quite match, it can be faster to leave the roundup and look the creator up directly. Broader OnlyFans search tools are useful here because pinup creators often file themselves under retro, vintage, or boudoir rather than the exact phrase you typed. A second pass through creator directory listings can also catch pages that rank poorly in the platform’s own search but describe the era clearly in their own bios.
Red flags that show up often in this search
Most disappointing subscriptions in this corner of the platform are not dramatic scams. They are small mismatches repeated until the month is gone. A few patterns are worth treating as stop signs, or at least as reasons to wait for more evidence.
- The banner is a famous vintage photograph or a poster, and the posts are unrelated selfies. Decoration is not a feed.
- Every retro image shares the same smeared background and overly smooth skin, with props that change shape between frames. Look twice before paying for images that may not be photographs of the creator.
- The bio lists pinup beside a dozen unrelated niches, and you cannot find more than one or two posts that support the word.
- Locked messages arrive immediately with no preview frames, pushing a “vintage set” you cannot see any part of.
- Comments or public replies pressure you to subscribe to see the “real” pinup content, while the visible grid never attempts the look.
- Custom menus promise any era, any costume, any location, with no examples of past custom work.
- The account reposts other people’s pinup with heavy watermarks, or mixes stolen classic photography into the grid as if it were original content.
A softer warning, not quite a stop sign: extreme reluctance to show the face alongside a very specific vintage persona. Face-free pages can be legitimate, and privacy is a good reason. Just know that hair, brows, and expression do a large share of pinup’s work. If those are cropped out, you are buying a body-and-wardrobe niche that may feel incomplete if the face was why the style appealed to you. That is a preference to notice early, not a moral test.
Another soft warning is perfection that never varies. Real stockings snag. Real set hair shifts. A feed where every frame is immaculate in exactly the same way, for months, with no casual proof of life, deserves a slower yes. You can still subscribe. Just do not subscribe because the grid looks like a moodboard. Moodboards are easy to assemble and hard to continue.
Questions people ask before paying for pinup pages
Is a vintage filter enough to count as pinup?
No. A grade can support styling that is already there. It cannot invent set hair, period clothes, or a pose with intention. If you turn the color off in your mind and the photo still reads as a modern lingerie snapshot, the filter was doing all the labeling. Pages that rely on it tend to feel repetitive within a week, because there is no wardrobe logic underneath to create variety.
Do pinup creators keep it tease-only?
Some do. Some do not. The tradition people are referencing was often tease-first, but subscription pages are not bound by a magazine code. Read the creator’s own description of boundaries, and look at how explicit the previews already are. If a page never states a limit, do not assume one. If you want to stay in cheesecake territory, say so in your own notes and pick creators whose visible work already stops where you want to stop. Hoping a more explicit creator will quietly match your limit is how people end up annoyed at a page that was clear.
Why do so many “50s” pages still feel current?
Because a lot of them are modern pinup, not historical reenactment. Current nails, visible tattoos, contemporary facial aesthetics, and phones in shot all pull an image forward in time. That can be a deliberate revival look, and it is popular for a reason. It feels current because it is. If you want something closer to mid-century studio photography, you have to select for it: cleaner styling, fewer modern beauty markers, props that belong to the room. The tag alone will not do that selection.
Are photosets more common than video?
Often, yes, because the aesthetic was built for stills and because a finished pinup photograph rewards careful framing. Video is common enough that you should not assume a page lacks it, and uncommon enough that you should not assume a subscription includes regular clips. Check the media mix on the preview and in any posted schedule. If video is rare, decide whether the stills alone justify the fee.
Can I request a specific decade or a copy of a famous pinup pose?
A decade, sometimes, if the creator already shoots in that neighborhood and owns clothes that support it. A famous pose as inspiration, often, if you treat it as a reference and not as a demand to duplicate a copyrighted photograph or a living person’s exact set. Be ready to hear that a request needs garments they do not have. Creators who show past customs give you a better forecast than creators who only show a price list. Ask to see a comparable example before you pay for something unlike anything on the page.
How do I tell rockabilly pinup from classic studio pinup quickly?
Look at ink, music cues, and attitude in the first screen of posts. Rockabilly and alt pinup tend to show tattoos, hotter contrast, band references, and a more rebellious expression. Classic studio pinup tends toward cleaner skin presentation, softer humor, and clothes that could pass in a period room without explanation. Neither is automatically better produced. They scratch different itches, and subscribing across that line by accident is one of the most frequent complaints behind this search.
Is a quiet page with great old sets still worth a month?
Only if you are paying for access to the archive and you have confirmed the archive is actually included. Some inactive-looking pages unlock a deep back catalog the moment you subscribe, which can be a good one-month purchase. Others have little behind the highlight images. If you cannot tell, ask whether older sets are on the feed or sold separately. If you do not get a clear answer, spend the money somewhere that is obviously posting now, or buy a single bundle you can see.
Should I expect the creator to stay in a retro persona in messages?
Only if they offer that. Many pinup models talk like themselves, and the decade lives entirely in the pictures. That split is normal and often more sustainable. If persona chat is something you care about, look for it in the bio, the menu, or the way public replies are written. Do not send a script and expect a stranger to perform it because the photos were styled. Paid roleplay, when it exists, should be labeled as its own offer with its own boundaries.
What if I like the styling but not explicit content at all?
You may still find pages that match, especially creators who describe their work as cheesecake, boudoir, or retro fashion and who show enough free images to prove the limit. You may also find that the best styling on a given week belongs to a creator who posts more explicit sets alongside it. In that case, use previews and pay-per-view carefully, or accept that this particular platform will keep mixing the two. No one is required to sell you a non-explicit feed, and you are not required to subsidize one that goes somewhere you do not want to go.
Pick the version of pinup you keep picturing, then pay for that
Before the next subscription, name the picture you are actually chasing. A cute domestic 1950s set with a plot in the pose is not the same purchase as tattooed rockabilly, a gloves-and-fan routine, or a polished glamour shot with a retro grade. Most bad months in this niche come from refusing that distinction and hoping one creator will cover all of it. The stronger pinup onlyfans pages are specific. Match them with equal specificity.
Use the free wall as a contract. The recent posts should already contain the hair, the clothes, and the kind of room you want, at a pace you can see. If the evidence is a banner plus a promise, wait. If the evidence is real but the explicitness, the chat style, or the balance of locked posts does not fit how you like to spend, believe that mismatch. There will be another creator whose closet and boundaries sit closer to yours. Vintage styling rewards patience more than impulse, because the difference between a costume and a practice is visible, and it is visible before you pay.
When you do subscribe, give the page one cycle of its own rhythm rather than judging it against daily upload habits imported from other niches. Then be willing to leave if the look was a phase. The point of a niche this particular is not to collect every account that used the tag. It is to keep your attention, and your fee, on pages where the pinup idea is still doing the work.
